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Voting closed: April 06, 2006, 12:08:38 AM

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"Immagration" Law
« on: March 30, 2006, 12:08:38 AM »
For those who heard it, the US is trying to pass this Immagration Law to send back all illeagal immagrants BACK to where they came from. I find this very wrong in many ways, and so does the public.

  My teacher said that the Immagration Law would hurt the economy, and trade from other countries.Although she's from Canada, she still told us how she had to go through all the hell to get into the US.She said, " First you have to spend a ton of money JUST to get into the waiting list. After that they do a background check, and also search you. And that if you got one small crime on your record your screwed.

 But, I feel that if this is a "Free" country, why do they have to go through all that trouble, and not have freedom to protest about a problem. If I heard right from my history teacher citizens have the right to portest if they feel the government is wrong. Now how do YOU all feel about this? Happy? Sad? Pissed? or don't even care? Please share.
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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2006, 10:07:20 AM »
yes pass it.  name one other country where you get all the benefits without having to become a citizen.  you want to live in america and get a job, become a citizen.... i know a handful of people from other countries sent home, why not mexicans and minorities....

and while we are at it, lets clean up welfare and unemployment......
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2006, 12:52:47 PM »
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lets clean up welfare and unemployment


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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2006, 04:33:54 PM »
It's called illegal immigration for a reason.  There are legitimate ways to live and work in the country.  Use those.  Nobody is passing a law against _immigration_.  It is a security and economical issue, not a social one.  Immigrants are well within their rights to come into this country and work, but they need to do so legally. 

Illegal immigrants can protest all they want, far as I care.  Doesn't mean they get to make policy if they're not citizens of the country that they're living in, and illegal immigrants are not citizens.  They're illegal.  The US is not the world government and not everyone is represented.  If they want representation, then they need to get it by becoming a citizen.  Which, is free.  You just have to wait 11 years. 

As far as the economics of the situation... there are millions of illegal immigrants here in the US that don't pay taxes because they're not documented.  Is that a help to the economy or a drain to it? 

And no, it doesn't cost any money to get on a list.  She's making it sound like the minute you enter the country you have to hand over a small fortune.  And that's just not true.  Whoever told you that is cramming ideology down your throat.  Verify what she's saying before you believe it.  :)  In fact, verify what I just said.  And really, I don't think it very wise to argue the health of our economy as the reason for allowing illegal immigration when she's also trying to say that she wants to allow illegal immigration because she wants to be charitable.  :P  Your teacher sounds a little two-faced.  *shrug* 

Now.  My uncle is Canadian.  He's gotten traffic tickets before.  He's lived here for more than 11 years, and he became a citizen last year.  What's your teacher's definition of a small crime?  Misdemeanor?  Felony?  It can't be that hard to avoid committing those.
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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2006, 11:03:07 PM »
As far as the economics of the situation... there are millions of illegal immigrants here in the US that don't pay taxes because they're not documented.  Is that a help to the economy or a drain to it? 

Yeah I agree with you there. I'm just a little confused at WHAT the whole thing was about, but now that I thought about the ecomony and the amonut of money were wasting to them, I hope it gets passed. And hey I don't know how the system works, I wouldn't think a teacher would lie about something like that. *thinks* Well now that I HAVE seen both ends I have to agree WITH the immagration laws.

Heres the funny thing I heard, a few teachers were talking about how "They help with construction...If it wasn't for them half the stuff built in this country wouldn't be here..." While another one said, "There a waste of space, and money...They should just wait like all the others..." It's kinda weird though that NOW they pass this law. Now they have to clean out a large amount of illegal immagrants, when before like say 20 years ago it could of been a lot easier. But I guess it's better to pass it now then later.
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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2006, 11:49:44 PM »
You also have to ask.. are they talking about immigrants in general or illegal immigrants? 

Here's how I see it.  If they were never here in the first place, half the stuff in this country would still be here, and the other half would have been built anyway by citizens of this country who would have taken those jobs, which would probably offer higher salaries than they do currently because we wouldn't have the supply of illegal immigrants who are willing to work for pennies on the dollar.  Would we be as rich?  Well, that's debatable.  But we would certainly be more stable. 

By the way, I don't think your teacher is lying.  I think she's simply uninformed and operating on a few assumptions. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2006, 02:29:39 AM »
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In the past I worked for a franchise restaurant chain. Post 9/11 when the INS started cracking down on places like retail outlets and fast food restaurants about having illegal immigrants working for them, it became my job to audit all employee files, especially those of newly acquired restaurants.

The former restaurant owners did not provide any tax information on their employes, so I reset everyone to claim 0 and attached a note explaining why and what to do and a W4 form to their paychecks. This exploded into having over 80 people deported. Why? Because they came here on a valid 6 month or 1 year work visa. They get into a job with high management turnover and by the time their visa expires, they're working with thier 5th or 6th boss. Right before the visa expires, they claim the maximum number of allowences on a w4 form. Now, no taxes are deducted from their paychecks.

They all lived in 2 or 3 different houses owned by a friend of a friend of a friend. Rent/80 = pretty damn cheap. They get 100% health care because working a minimum wage job in this region of the country will keep you below the maximum household income to qualify for free insurance. Some were even on government assistance (welfare) and recieved an extra $600 per month cash and an additional food allowance, tax free. They keep enough money to live and mail the rest back to their families in #####. Thier families are not starving to death. They were using the money to build high rise appartments to profit of realestate in that country. The only reason they came here was because the American dollar is worth X amount more then their country's monitary unit, and it was easier to make cash here.


You know if you get in a car accident with an illegal, YOU have to pay for the damage to your vehicle, regardless of whose fault it was? You know if someone DIES in a car accident by an illegal, they most likely wont be prosecuted? And what's even more ridiculous is that the government allows these people to get drivers licenses in the first place.

I live in Michigan, for fucks sake, and everything is translated in fucking Spanish. We don't even live by the goddamn Mexican border, but there's so many illegals entering the country that don't even take the time to learn English. They don't have to. They are coddled by wimpy politicians that want their votes, and tax payers fund bilingual schools and mindless money-pit multiculturo-pluralism programs that continually hinder the people they are trying to help.

Oh, and don't forget all the amnesty days that Clinton held for all the illegals-POOF! You're a Citizen! Vote Democratic next week, and here's your food stamps, rent assistance, free medical care, free housing, free utilities...They even tried promising FREE COMMUNITY COLLEGE TUITION for illegals-while Americans have to pay.

Now I have no problem whatsoever with immigration, as long as it's LEGAL. After all, that's what the US is made of, people who immigrated here from various other countries LEGALLY. Unfortunately, since the US eliminated the lottery, it now takes roughly 10 years to immigrate here. Of course it's easier to jump the border. My boyfriend is from Germany, and he would love to move here-but because of the ridiculous duration it takes, we'd have to get married for him to do so in any practical amount of time.

The only real solution I can think of is to crack down on the people employing illegal immigrants and stop giving them the same rights citizens have. If they don't NEED to become a citizen in order to get those rights, guess what? THEY WONT. Hell I'd love a life where I can get away with not paying taxes and abiding by the law, but I guess it sucks for me, cause I was born here.
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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2006, 09:11:03 PM »
I support the law 100%... I mean, look at all these opportunities illegal immigrants get.  Its ridiculous.

My question though... how are they gonna catch em all?


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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2006, 09:36:57 PM »
AS, I think your boyfriend will still be able to move here if he applies for a work visa and citizenship.  And odds are before he's moved up on the waiting list he'll be married and will be able to move up even farther. 

He might want to do it quick, though, or he'll be 11 million farther back in line than he would have been, considering the news this week. 
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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2006, 10:44:48 AM »
I really hope this passes.

my problem is with the fact that illeagles can get more than I do.. some of them got unemployment, can get on welfare, and get free or cheap insurance.

Myself on the otehrhand, white/non-smoking/male/age 18  am told to quit slacking off and wasting your money and get a real job.

How is that fair since I am a citizen, lived here my whole life, pay taxes, and speak English?
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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2006, 04:50:49 PM »
Rush had an interesting caller the other day.  She was brought to America from Venezuela as a child, raised and graduated from American public school, and now works for a living, and considers herself an American.  But she is illegal.  She can't get on the list because the legal system tells her she must first leave the country, set up residence in Venezuela, and then come back and apply for citizenship.

What do you do with the few who have slipped through the cracks this way?  Who consider themselves Americans, but because of her parents decisions and lack of any familiarity with her home country has not gone back to her homeland and applied for citizenship? 
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2006, 08:50:57 PM »
>_< @ you listening to Rush Limbaugh.
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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 02:44:11 AM »
Only when I'm driving during lunch break.  I don't listen regularly because, let's face it, he's too full of himself.  :P  But you have to hand it to him that he didn't jump down this lady's throat. 
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Re: "Immigration" Law
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2006, 07:49:38 AM »
Has anyone read through the Mexican immigration laws? :P


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Re: "Immagration" Law
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2006, 03:28:47 PM »
Do they have any?
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2006, 08:48:44 AM »
http://www.mexico-trade.com/citizen.html

Sift through them enough and you may find them to be far stricter than the U.S.



A bit of an excerpt:

Immigrant categories include the following:

Retirees: foreigners over 50 years of age engaging in non-remunerative activities but receiving from abroad funds such as interests from investments of their capital in certificates, banking institutions, or from any income coming from abroad, provided they receive a monthly income equivalent to 400 times the daily minimum wage in force in the Federal District and 200 times the daily minimum wage per family dependent. There are restrictions regarding residence in certain cities of Mexico in which there already are a high number of foreign residents.

Investors: foreigners entering the country to invest their capital in industry, commerce or services. The minimum investment shall be the equivalent of 40,000 times the daily minimum wage in force for the Federal District when the investment is made in the Metropolitan area, or 13,333 times for investments out of such area.

Professionals: foreigners entering the country to exercise a profession. Educational requirements must be fulfilled to exercise the corresponding profession.

Scientists: foreigners who enter Mexico to perform scientific, training or educational activities. The Ministry of the Interior shall request an opinion from the National Council of Science and Technology.

Confidential employees: foreigners entering the country to perform activities as sole administrators or any other managerial position at the discretion of the Ministry of the Interior, in a business established in Mexico.

Technicians: foreigners entering Mexico to render technical assistance and services for resident companies. Training of Mexican workers is required within 60 days from the date they are authorized.
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2006, 09:21:41 PM »
Reading CNN this morning. Some quotes that cracked me up:

"The National Immigration Law Center called on organizations nationwide to sign a petition urging ICE to assure the public it won't make any immigration arrests during the protests."

If they want to protest their lack of rights, and openly state that they're violating the laws of this country, why shouldn't they be arrested?

"....at least 50 percent of workers on construction jobs in the region had not shown up for work. "This is costing millions of dollars a day, and I don't know who is going to pay for it," he said."

Uh, how about hiring Americans? Oh wait, then they wont profit as much. I feel so bad for them, really.

"Mari Ramos, a Peruvian nanny whose tourist visa ran out in 2003, listened when friends warned her not to take public transportation or risk arrest. "That's when I became nervous. I stopped going to my night job," the 36-year-old Miami woman said."

Instead of risking arrest by riding the bus, she decides to state her full name and her residency on one of the biggest news stations in the world. Brilliant!

My conclusion:
The US already has enough stupid people here legally, we don't need any more.
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